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Who's the Boss Game #2894

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Voting / Memo Discussion
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Discussion of Round #1

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RhythmicAus


Posted: 07:08AM Dec 1, 2012

ROUND 1

Well, I'm not giving clues this game, but perhaps you'd like something to discuss. So, here is a twist on the psych question for you to discuss if you like. If not, just ignore it.

This question is based off of the television show "The Office" (U.S. 2005 - 2013). Would you least like to work for Michael Scott, Jim Halpert, Dwight Schrute, DeAngelo Vickers, or Andy Bernard? For what reason(s)?


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JQPublic


Posted: 09:05AM Dec 1, 2012

Safety for koin.

Last time I was in a game where buu was the boss, he was being very buu-ish in his memo and answer. This one doesn't sound like him. Either he's got better or it isn't him. I think the latter is more probable because it doesn't look like the boss is making an effort not to sound like him/herself.

A few points about the memo and answer (since we don't have any clues, we might as well look at the language):
-I know that I will never be the best boss, but I will do my best to keep this office free of clutter and lazy workers or just the workers that annoy me the most. - 'that' can be omitted, but the boss chose not to do so.
-DeAngelo Vickers because (nothing??) knows he's no replacement for the world's best boss - but he's determined to bring his best game from the get go so that maybe, just maybe, he can help the Scranton branch to reach new heights - if the missing pronoun was not accidental, then it's probably a peculiarity of the boss's idiolect. Another word that can be omitted is the 'to' after 'help' (since both the bare and to-infinitive forms are acceptable after 'help').


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'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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Izzie*


Posted: 09:37AM Dec 1, 2012

safety for bookworm

˙ǝızzı(p) ¿y ahora? the new refrigerator came. If you need me, i will be playing in the box.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 09:38AM Dec 1, 2012

I don't think the boss has ever seen The Office. The character only lasted four episodes, making me think a real Office fanatic would not have chosen him. Using "Scranton branch" in th memo also makes me think they did a quick google search.

At first I thought the grammatical errors were just mistakes, but thinking more about it, something could be there...

Safety for buu.


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babyjuice


Posted: 10:05AM Dec 1, 2012

According to wikipedia, Di-whats-his-face is described like this:

Deangelo is widely regarded by the Dunder-Mifflin crew as a brash, obstinate and opinionated boss. He is welcomed at first by employees trying to win his favour, but then loses more and more employee respect. His superiors think he is an incompetent as well.


...anyone know anybody who acts like that? You can't lie in the psych question so yeah.

Safety for Kitty
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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:13AM Dec 1, 2012

i put a safety for koin as well.
i know nothing about this tv show
and i wont wiki now as its late in the night and i gotta go sleep soon. will see if i can come up with something tomorrow.


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EliosAus


Posted: 10:18AM Dec 1, 2012

koin_era345 wrote:
I don't think the boss has ever seen The Office. The character only lasted four episodes, making me think a real Office fanatic would not have chosen him. Using "Scranton branch" in th memo also makes me think they did a quick google search.
That's an excellent observation, one I couldn't have made because I've never really watched the show. But from the description babyjjuice found, I don't think I would have chosen him as my boss.

Despite the few grammatical oddities (at least one of which could be due to editing a sentence and not proofreading), I think the Psych answer sounds pretty coherent. Many times, the Boss will refrain from saying anything more than a few words, so I appreciate the effort s/he took here.

Safety vote for GreenApples for now. It'd be a good idea to start clearing people, though, so if we want to start a majority on someone, perhaps we can start with those of us who are unfamiliar with "The Office"?

As to the conversation question, I don't know the characters well enough to say for sure, but I don't think I'd like Dwight. In the few episodes I've seen, he just seems very ineffectual.


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babyjuice


Posted: 11:42AM Dec 1, 2012

Never even heard of the show
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 11:50AM Dec 1, 2012

I like the idea of a first roud majority. Seconding the GA vote.

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babyjuice


Posted: 12:23PM Dec 1, 2012

Not too sure about being a lemming the first round...especially in an active game like this

Lemme think about it...
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 12:39PM Dec 1, 2012

I'm just going to throw out a random vote for Elios for now. I'm going to go do my homework, so I'll be back later.

"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 12:55PM Dec 1, 2012

I'll also vote for GA. It's good to clear people has early as we can.
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Blackest_Red*


Posted: 01:24PM Dec 1, 2012

Also jumping on the GreenApples band wagon.
I have watched the show a few times, but never found it very interesting. I guess you have to work in an office to get it.
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babyjuice


Posted: 01:38PM Dec 1, 2012

I suppose I may as well join in as well

Changing to GA
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JJPutztus


Posted: 02:44PM Dec 1, 2012

GA as well. I couldve sworn I posted before...
Can you BELIEVE CG? Stealing my idea like that?


To quote Kobe Bryant when he hits a 3-pointer: "Kobe"
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YuffieAus


Posted: 02:45PM Dec 1, 2012



Hmm, before the game even started I was intrigued by Blackest Red's writing but it doesn't match the style of the Boss' memo, so that flopped. =P

I've watched quite a lot of episodes actually, but only the earlier seasons, so I know all of the characters EXCEPT for DeAngelo Vickers. I've only seen Andy Bernard and Michael Scott as the boss on the show (Did Jim take over after Steve Carroll left or something?) & while Michael is a tad racist &... odd, he's actually a genuinely nice guy who does try. I hate Dwight & while he kinda grows on you after a while, he'd be a horrible boss XP

I would most like to work for Michael Scott b/c I'd be left alone to do my daily work but he'd bring enough oddity to the job that it wouldn't become boring

I would LEAST like to work for Dwight b/c I've seen an episode or two where he momentarily was in charge & it wasn't pleasant. I don't know DeAngelo Vickers, but he also doesn't sound like someone I'd want to work for.

Okay - Hopefully I wrote enough to (1) continue the sub-conversation and (2) potentially clear me based on my writing style & knowledge of the show.

I will help clear Green Apples by voting along with the majority!


EDIT TO NOTE: The psych question is a direct copy-paste from the NBC "meet the characters" page DeAngelo Vickers

For those who don't want to click the link, here is the NBC's blurb:

Trying to step into Michael Scott's shoes is no task for the timid. Mr. Deangelo Vickers knows he's no replacement for the world's best boss - but he's determined to bring his best game from the get go so that maybe, just maybe, he can help the Scranton branch to reach new heights.


And here is the boss' answer:
DeAngelo Vickers because knows he's no replacement for the world's best boss - but he's determined to bring his best game from the get go so that maybe, just maybe, he can help the Scranton branch to reach new heights


Nothing really new, but obviously the person doesn't know the show, so Babyjuice's definition doesn't reflect on the boss (although excellent job!) But, the person's writing style isn't reflected in the answer b/c they didn't write it!


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 04:05PM Dec 1, 2012

Thats interesting, yuffie.

I dont think GA would copy that from another website, I could be wrong but I dont think so. Switching to babyjuice.

Edit: Would least like to work for Dwight. Hands down. That guy would get on my nerves.


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SirHarA


Posted: 04:28PM Dec 1, 2012

Good luck lemmings ...The boss is a chick....I am voting Elios...

I have seen like two episodes it was entertaining but I dont know the show or the charachters...



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fame*us


Posted: 04:30PM Dec 1, 2012

Hm, Yuffle where did you get that? Lol just curious. Safety vote then to clear
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 04:57PM Dec 1, 2012

koin_era345 wrote:
Thats interesting, yuffie.

I dont think GA would copy that from another website, I could be wrong but I dont think so.


Thank you koin. Give me a little credit. Not once would I ever use words not of my own for a psyche answer. Personally I kind of feel it's cheating the game to do that, since that's not necessarily the boss' own personal opinion. So this majority on me is incredibly wrong...

I will vote fame for now as I don't know him and most people I know I feel wouldn't cheat the psyche answer, because copy and pasting is eliminating any chance for us to analyse the typing etc.

EDIT: As for who I'd most/least like to work for, I've never watched the US Office, only the British (and original may I add ) version, so I'm not sure what the US characters are like.

Also, just noting that fame asked where Yuffie found that, even though she posted exactly where she found it. So either fame is not paying any attention OR he's trying hard to come across as if he's never gone searching for that paragraph which the boss copy and pasted into the psyche answer.


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JQPublic


Posted: 06:01PM Dec 1, 2012

Switching to GA with the majority.

'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 06:35PM Dec 1, 2012

I read through most if not all of the posts, and I agree, even though I've only played a couple of games with GA, he's not the kind of person to do that. I've never seen the Office, so I don't really have any opinion.

I don't think I'll vote with the majority. GA has a good point about fame, I checked the times and yes, Yuffie did edit before fame posted. So, fame does seem suspicious right now, but I'll stick with my vote.


"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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EliosAus


Posted: 06:57PM Dec 1, 2012

Umm, I'm not sure why everyone is joining on the GA vote. I was trying to suggest we clear someone who claims never to have watched the show; my vote on GA was random (he hadn't even posted when I voted) and I was in fact trying to hint at clearing me.

SirHar wrote:
Good luck lemmings ...The boss is a chick....I am voting Elios...
What tells you the boss is a chick? If you're going by writing style, you're chasing down a copywriter at NBC.

I can understand people's hesitancy to join a majority, but it doesn't do us too much good to all hide out behind MoO votes. That's a bit like going in to play a game of paint ball and just hiding behind a wall 'til everyone else gets shot. But I do think we should make the clear count for something. I'm fine staying with a vote on GA because he's a good player, but is there someone more apt to be suspicious that we should "get out of the way" first?

Edit to add voting list. Please edit if I messed anything up!


babyjuice - GreenApples27
Blackest_Red - GreenApples27
Elios - GreenApples27
fame - GreenApples27 (I think?)
JJPutz - GreenApples27
JQPublic - GreenApples27
Oldcustard - GreenApples27
Yuffie - GreenApples27

kitty-cat - Elios
SirHar - Elios

buu441 - koin_era345
GreenApples27 - fame
Izzie - bookworm4god
koin_era345 - babyjuice

bookworm4god - No Vote


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JJPutztus


Posted: 08:17PM Dec 1, 2012

Plagairism. We're learning about that in English, which literally IS English in Hawaii.

To quote Kobe Bryant when he hits a 3-pointer: "Kobe"
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JQPublic


Posted: 08:56PM Dec 1, 2012

I trust GA, but there's no chance we're going to get a majority on anyone else this round, so I suggest everyone switch to GA to create a majority. At least that's doing something. If both the boss and the rat lied, we do not have a majority at the moment.

BTW, I don't think it's fame. Although I haven't met him before, people under 13 on this site tend not to write in proper English. SirHar is someone with, uh, very strong opinions, so I don't think he'd plagiarise, either.


'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 09:34PM Dec 1, 2012

My list of people who I think wouldnt copy:

Elios
Sirhar
Greenapples
Oldcustard
Kitty-cat
Probably JQ
Probably JJ

Yuffie might have copied the psych answer, then pointed it out in-game to appear more trustworthy. I would like to clear her at some point, if just to know she can be trusted.


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JJPutztus


Posted: 09:47PM Dec 1, 2012

*as he wrote that with perfect grammar*

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SirHarA


Posted: 10:50PM Dec 1, 2012

my list of schmucks ...
Elios
jq publick
Putz who has a crappy football team
black forrest
yuffie

GA I got your back The boss is one of those schmucks or a chick I left off the list

No dude says "clutter" or "Annoy"sorry boss you cant fire me yet.....


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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:54PM Dec 1, 2012

i will join the majority on greenapples as well then. good to clear someone.

edit:
if the i think vote is confirmed, then GA should be cleared. we have 14 stated votes, of which 12 are valid. of that, we need 6 for majority. 9 stated GA, leaving boss and rat, we got 7 on GA. easily cleared


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YuffieAus


Posted: 10:55PM Dec 1, 2012

SirHar wrote:
Good luck lemmings ...The boss is a chick....I am voting Elios...


Sexist I don't agree - trying to clear players while we don't have much to go on is a pretty good idea.

I just jumped on the GA Majority b/c it had already started forming by the time I got on...


koin era245 wrote:
Yuffie might have copied the psych answer, then pointed it out in-game to appear more trustworthy. I would like to clear her at some point, if just to know she can be trusted.


I know you don't know me and for that reason alone I will try hard not to be offended, but I would NEVER plagiarise! I LOVE to talk & even though I would change my writing style etc, I wouldn't use someone else's words b/c that's kinda cheating, in my opinion. (No offense to the Boss, I just feel a truly honest answer would be in your own words). Plus, I've seen the show & while I don't know DeAngelo, I know I wouldn't pick him to be my ideal boss.

I would love to be cleared but as JQPublic said, there's no way we can get the majority changed this round. I literally selected the boss' answer and googled it - the NBC was the first thing to pop up. I decided to search it b/c I was thinking about what babyjuice had said (about the description of DeAngelo & if it fit any of the players) I thought, why would someone think the way the boss did if the description of the guy was so different, so I Googled it to see if I could find any extra info (forums & whatnot) - that may seem like a weird thing to do, but Googling is kinda my hobby

A few people stick out to me more than others, but I want to think about it a bit more before I start finger-pointing (I don't have any real evidence yet) I will stick with my vote on GA, just because me changing my vote won't really do much at this point.
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babyjuice


Posted: 10:58PM Dec 1, 2012

Koin wrote:

Elios
Sirhar
Greenapples
Oldcustard
Kitty-cat
Probably JQ
Probably JJ


In my defence I WOULD NOT copy off a webpage for WTB...or for anything 'cept research I should hope.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 11:04PM Dec 1, 2012

SirHar wrote:
my list of schmucks ...
Elios
jq publick
Putz who has a crappy football team
black forrest
yuffie

GA I got your back The boss is one of those schmucks or a chick I left off the list

No dude says "clutter" or "Annoy"sorry boss you cant fire me yet.....


Didn't see this til after I posted... Some of those people on your list ARE "dudes" and I don't think there's actually any statistical evidence to support your theory; Clutter maybe, but annoy?
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buu441Ain


Posted: 11:29PM Dec 1, 2012

JQPublic wrote:
Safety for koin.

Last time I was in a game where buu was the boss, he was being very buu-ish in his memo and answer. This one doesn't sound like him. Either he's got better or it isn't him. I think the latter is more probable because it doesn't look like the boss is making an effort not to sound like him/herself.



i hadnt noticed that they had cleared me in the first part of their post. i had read only the points after this para.


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 11:35PM Dec 1, 2012

It's not too late at all to change majorities...

Well, I hate not joining majorities because I'm cleared, so next round I will join vote whoever I suspect most at the time, and if that makes me a lemming then oh well!
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EliosAus


Posted: 11:38PM Dec 1, 2012

SirHar wrote:
my list of schmucks ...
Don't just toss about Yiddish terms without knowing what they mean there, ya schlub. Curious as to how you decide which players are foolish jerks, though. Your list looks rather random to me, especially considering this is the first round.
No dude says "clutter" or "Annoy"
I know you're weird, Har, but seriously? No guy ever uses the word 'annoy'? Good to know you're not just sexist towards women, I guess.

I would say calling what the boss did "plagiarism" is a bit harsh. It was lazy, sure, but a Psych answer is hardly a publicized work or a thesis paper or something. Don't get me wrong: as a Literature major (and just a decent person), I would never condone the stealing of someone else's ideas and using them as your own. But just like lying in these games is acceptable, I think disguising your answers behind someone else's words is an acceptable evil. If we want to take this to an extreme, we'd all have to be quoting each other and adding footnotes non-stop.


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JQPublic


Posted: 05:04AM Dec 2, 2012

Copying from another site and then condemning copying is a very dishonest and dishonourable thing to do, so I think anyone who's said she or he would never copy is cleared.

'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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buu441Ain


Posted: 06:05AM Dec 2, 2012

Dont you think thats a little too obvious? Now everyone can go on saying they wont ever copy, and you cant clear them all based only on that. Plus, the boss might be saying they wont copy as well just to cover up and lead a false trail.

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kitty-cattus


Posted: 09:41AM Dec 2, 2012

koin_era345 wrote:
My list of people who I think wouldnt copy:

Elios
Sirhar
Greenapples
Oldcustard
Kitty-cat
Probably JQ
Probably JJ

Yuffie might have copied the psych answer, then pointed it out in-game to appear more trustworthy. I would like to clear her at some point, if just to know she can be trusted.


Well, thank you, koin! And yes, like others have said, I would never copy and paste. The idea wouldn't even have crossed my mind; especially for this game, using your own words is vitally important.

buu441 wrote:
Dont you think thats a little too obvious? Now everyone can go on saying they wont ever copy, and you cant clear them all based only on that. Plus, the boss might be saying they wont copy as well just to cover up and lead a false trail.


I know what you mean by that, but I think JQ meant anybody before his post. I agree, though, the boss would say that to cover his/her tracks. However, I know most of the people in this game, and some of them I could never see copying & pasting anything in order to try to win. Like me, the idea would never even cross their mind.


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buu441Ain


Posted: 09:51AM Dec 2, 2012

Thats true. Even i prefer putting down stuff in my words in my own funny style of writing. Am just saying that we cant blindly clear people based only on them saying they wont copy.

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YuffieAus


Posted: 01:58PM Dec 2, 2012

Yeah, I don't think the copy/paste thing is a big deal - I really just wanted to point it out so we wouldn't spend any time analyzing the answer in terms of the writing style. I didn't think it matched the memo but now we know for sure


The boss has to answer truthfully and s/he probably did. Reading the NBC blurbs about the characters, DeAngelo does sound like an upstanding, hard-working man. At first I thought maybe the quote was used just to answer the question quickly, but it did take some thought to research the show.

JQPublic wrote:
Copying from another site and then condemning copying is a very dishonest and dishonourable thing to do, so I think anyone who's said she or he would never copy is cleared.


As Buu and Kitty-cat stated, we're not going to get anywhere on the "who copied" tangent. Plus, we aren't on stand at a trial: A little white lie isn't really "dishonorable" - if you've ever played The Werewolf Game you would know that the wolves have to CONSTANTLY lie to stay under the radar. Same thing here. I'm positive none of us would ever actually plagiarize, but in a silly online game, I can see why someone would copy-paste. I think a lot of us wouldn't simply b/c we like to try to be creative with our memos/answers but it's just another strategy that the boss is using.

And, the boss is being FORCED to lie now - can you imagine if we're all saying "I would never" and then someone says "well, I would" That would raise a few flags...


It'll be interesting to see if next round's answer will be copy/pasted as well. If that is the strategy the boss is going with, it certainly will be hard to figure out who it is based on what is written!

The voting for this round already ended, but I just wanted to add to the conversation I think we should definitely take into consideration those who are unfamiliar with The Office. If I have time, I'll try to make a list of everyone whose mentioned if they've seen it or not. People who've seen it could lie and say they haven't, but it wouldn't help in this case since the boss has NOT seen it his/hereslf.


(editted to quote)


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YuffieAus


Posted: 02:31PM Dec 2, 2012

Sorry for the Double Post - the other one is too long & this is more relevant to the main discussion, so I don't want people to not look at it
~*~

The biggest clue we have to the boss' identity is that s/he is not familiar with The Office. Listed below are all of the players & their familiarity:



FAMILIAR WITH THE OFFICE - REASON:
koin_era345 – Implied in multiple Posts
Yuffie – Stated in Post

NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE OFFICE - REASON:
Babyjuice – Stated in Post
Blackest_Red - Stated in Post
bookworm4god – In Round 0, Stated in Post
buu441 – Stated in Post
Elios – Stated in Post
GreenApples27 – Stated in Post
JQPublic – In Round 0, Stated in Post
Oldcustard – In Round 0, Stated in Post
SirHar - Stated in Post

NEVER STATED, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER:
fame
Izzie
JJPutz
kitty-cat


Let me know if I missed something, but I skimmed both rounds twice. It seems only Koin and I have seen enough of the show to be familiar with the characters, so that really doesn't narrow much down =/

It does, however, point out the players who've not added to the major discussion. Fame, Izzie, JJPutz & Kitty-cat have posted but only to join the majority vote or talk about the copy-paste issue.

I'm kinda looking at Fame, but it's too early at this point. I just hope I'm still here next round!
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Blackest_Red*


Posted: 03:45PM Dec 2, 2012

Let us get to round two.
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