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The Werewolf Game #2838

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #7

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:45PM Dec 12, 2012

Thanks spider, well This is it guys. The board is now in dormancy as the rounds have become very short (so short that I find it hard to get a time to post.)

Harry was your second wolf, and one of you is the final one.

I won't give you another clue, with three players left you'll have to work it out yourself (sorry spider, but you'll have to go without the clue (the points/board aren't really relevant anymore anyway))

The previous clue did point to harry, but spider didn't exactly work it out. It was a "lucky guess"

Good luck from now on!


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:48PM Dec 12, 2012

LOL Har is still alive that was almost a garanteed win JQ, he's too stubborn to change his mind when he gets like that, I guess you are playing the reverse pyshcology angle.

WE SHOULD STILL HAVE A HARD CLUE COMING

JQ is the last wolf, as with last round, I know this

I am heading out for a bit, Rythmic if you have any concerns AT LEAST let me come back and address them, but I think JQs play, especially the ends of Round 4 and 5 are telling, the 'persistant defender' trick and the over the top theatrics with Greens seer claim.

Voting JQ, wait for the clue if you have to, but its him

AND YES HAS BEEN ONLINE SINCE ROUND END DONT LET THE QUICK NIGHT AND HIM NOT POSTING FOOL YOU

(I took a screenshot to prove this because Har relies on who RFMs all the time, and I was expecting to be dealing with him this round ) IF you really need to see it I can post it (it shows us both on and no IDs of anykind so there is nothing cheap about it haha)


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:00PM Dec 12, 2012

Be all you can be Rythmic

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  Post from Oldcustard deleted on 2012-12-12 22:22:02.
The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:30PM Dec 12, 2012

How was it a lucky guess, there was nothing lucky about it I determined it was an alphabetical subsitution code, its not my fault the code was simple to break, leaving multiple repeated strings "12" and "14" is a dead giveaway as is Its exactly as I desrcibed, a subsitution with I throuh N ripped out, it was solved, dont give me this i didnt solve it bull

Regardless, I dont know, still think if you're gonna offer three wolf clues for sale then you should allow us to buy up to three wolf clues. Clearly it isnt me he is protecting Rythmic, finish the job

And this REALLY should have been told to us several rounds ago, i mean half my behavoir/strategy has been based on getting this clue

Well in any case, I still hope the last wolf being JQ is obvious, if its not, fire some questions my way and Ill answer them in the morning.


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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 12:13AM Dec 13, 2012

I and N ripped out It was hexadecimal... T is the 20th letter of the alphabet and 20 in hexadecimal is 14. Same with R, 18th letter, 18 is 12 in hex...don't know how you got removing I and N
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JQPublic


Posted: 03:12AM Dec 13, 2012

Well, darn it. When you're a human in a game where the three wolves are three of the best players, it's hard to ensure a win for the humans. However, I'll explain everything in a moment. Your vote is important, Rhythmic; please, I beg you, don't waste it.

Rhythmic, I'm NOT going to sound like myself this round. This is because I know all the identities (since I know I'm a human and the only other uncleared person is Spider).


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'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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JQPublic


Posted: 03:14AM Dec 13, 2012

First off, I have to explain what was clearly time zone manipulation.

GA may have shot himself, but he managed to have the last laugh by ensuring that the next day would end WHILE I SLEEP. HP is active enough in the forums to know that my time zone is GMT+8. Then HP and Spider ensured the next round ended early so I'll have no time to defend myself that round. Spider knew SirHar and Rhythmic would vote for HP anyway, so Spider could afford to vote for me with HP voting for himself. Fortunately, I had another trick up my sleeve: Getting on Braingle before going to school. Unfortunately, I was 15 (or maybe 10 - don't remember exactly) late and by the time I logged in, it was already night. I remember that HP and Spider were both online at the time. I'm sure Spider's screenshot will tell you that.

As a side note - sorry SirHar for not voting HP last round.


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JQPublic


Posted: 03:25AM Dec 13, 2012

Secondly, about the eating, wasn't it convenient that Rhythmic, who suspected me last round, did NOT get eaten? Spider even went as far as to pretend to make a mistake, saying that Har was still alive, to make it look like it was not him who had made the decision.

Thirdly, why did The_Spider spend so much time in the last two rounds convincing Rhythmic and SirHar that I'm the wolf? Isn't that a bit wolfish when we didn't even know if buu was the real seer at the beginning of Round 5?


'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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JQPublic


Posted: 03:37AM Dec 13, 2012

Fourthly, The_Spider has twice claimed in this game that I'm playing 'persistent defender' card, the first time on himself and the second time on Cat. Remember that I first suspected Spider the most until Camille, a human, reminded me of the flaw in my logic. It was only then that I realised Spider was not a big suspect at all, and was in fact probably cleared for voting in the human majorities both times. Obviously, I no longer hold this view, but that's how it looked like then. I suppose The_Spider might have done it by mistake or wanted to make sure the human died in both rounds.

I may be exposing my own noobishness on Cat. However, I had looked through that round and the previous round before saying that, and pretty much the only evidence for suspecting Cat that I found was this:

asked him

Seeing how the mod has had three chances to type simply Chunnie was NOT seer and for some reason chose not to do so, its only fair to post it.

It shouldnt be Cat based on his post this round, but I wouldnt be surprised . If we shoot him and that is the case, give me a chance to speak next round. If I was wolf Im ok with being divined, but i am human and I AM NOT GOING DOWN LIKE THAT.

I really dont know who else it could be, like I said I have one or two guesses, I also might have crossed the finish line and can get us a free divination



Actually Im really worried, we probly should shoot Cat (again I know your perspectives are different than mine in that you dont know im telling the truth when I say Im human) but I dont think he is responsible or smart enough to realize if he fishes in must lynch and gets it wrong the wolves win, and if we shoot a Human Rythmic, Cat will likely thoughtlessly cast his cute little vote on me and the wolves will have the win.

Plus in a close call, he doesnt merit surviving


In other words, there probably wasn't ANY evidence of his wolfishness at all, only his inactivity.

That's all I have to say now. If Spider wants to reply to anything I post, I will try to respond if I have time.

BTW, Spider, you can call me JohnQ if you want. I was too lazy to type in three extra letters when I signed up.


'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:21AM Dec 13, 2012

Oldcustard wrote:
I and N ripped out It was hexadecimal... T is the 20th letter of the alphabet and 20 in hexadecimal is 14. Same with R, 18th letter, 18 is 12 in hex...don't know how you got removing I and N


I dont know how you dont know, H = 8 IHJLMN O=9 P = 10 Q =11 R =12 etc etc
Its valid, just cause you left a backdoor in your code attempt dont take it out on me



Time Zone manipulation Im on the road, waking up at 5-6 Everyday to get into work. These round start times have been an absolute nightmare for me, Ive lost several hours sleeep waiting for key updates and such. And how would HArry and I plan this little caper anyway

No I didnt "pretend to make a mistake" about Har being alive, its at worst a typo, but I wouldnt even call it that, I was essentially saying, "If Hars alive right now you would have won JQ. The 2nd part of my sentence indicates I knew Har was dead anyway so clearly not an attempt at mistake. Plus you did err, you should have just left Har in it. And only wolves use the phrase "how convenient" haha.

Thirdly, why did The_Spider spend so much time in the last two rounds convincing Rhythmic and SirHar that I'm the wolf? Isn't that a bit wolfish when we didn't even know if buu was the real seer at the beginning of Round 5?


Im not sure at all why people believe this, if your a human, its damn close to job one to make sure you dont get shot, ESPECIALLY when I KNEW it would come down to this, so why in the hell wouldnt I try to prove the others Im human, the whole game depends on it? Wolfish? No, but a superficial attempt to try to call me wolfish? I had figured the seer was somewhat inexperienced. I was quite certain it was Buu, but if YOU or possibly Rythmic counterclaimed I may have given it some thought. Green's attempt was ridiculous, I wouldnt have believed him for even the tiniest fraction of a second The fact that you were "torn" 'I dont know who to believe' was all theactrical, as was your 'realization' that Green wasnt seer.

Finally, the Catman thing. Catman was in a 3 way tie at the end of Round 3 before the Scrub voters overode him. I clearly explained why I wanted Cat shot (I thought he would blindly vote me and lose the humans the game--similar to my Har concerns) Green wanted to save himself. Nothing was sudden about this, you throw in a casual 'Notice Im not rushing to join this pointless Cat majority guys, isnt this out of the blue '

Its what we call the Persistent Defender, its such a Text Book Wolf Move, and yours is quite literally one of the more cookie cutter versions of it. Humans gettting shot, easy enough, throw out a casual "Why are we shooting him " and look human

Hope I covered everything need to get back to sleep, bbl if needed


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 04:24AM Dec 13, 2012

I suppose it is time to end. I vote for ...

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
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