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The Werewolf Game #2892

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #1

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kitty-cattus


Posted: 09:36AM Mar 16, 2013

Welcome to Full Goon

There will be more later.


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"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 09:37AM Mar 16, 2013

Thanks for the add, celtic! Random SPV for now.

"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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SirHarA


Posted: 09:48AM Mar 16, 2013

I am hungover on my post Bday morning and all I got from smithy (besides a loss in the last game) was a pic of HABS...so I will start with an spv vote for smithy....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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SirHarA


Posted: 09:53AM Mar 16, 2013

Sky did you save my Reverend Pic??? I may need to break it out ....I like hearing myself preach...So does Limerick...trust me on THIS one....
I guess I am still drunk.......


the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 10:04AM Mar 16, 2013


Putting out a random SPV for kitty.

I think it'd be fun if the good Reverend returned ;)


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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Smithy*en


Posted: 10:05AM Mar 16, 2013

We're not going to have another Sage of the Avatar Changing are we?

SPV.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:05AM Mar 16, 2013

Am I supposed to acting like a goon?

Anyway, spv for now.


Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 10:08AM Mar 16, 2013

GOON VOTE.

SPV


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 10:12AM Mar 16, 2013

SPV for KOIN

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 10:17AM Mar 16, 2013

SirHar wrote:
Sky did you save my Reverend Pic??? I may need to break it out ....I like hearing myself preach...So does Limerick...trust me on THIS one....
I guess I am still drunk.......

Yeah I've still got it but so should you..... Try putting in the avatar box "../Skybet.jpg" and it should work dude.


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 10:22AM Mar 16, 2013

SPV for OC.

Fearless.
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SirHarA


Posted: 10:47AM Mar 16, 2013

Holy crap No one is voting for me,,,,,This is truly amazing....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 11:13AM Mar 16, 2013

I thought we agreed to give you immunity for the first two rounds. I''m sure I read that somewhere.

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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SirHarA


Posted: 11:13AM Mar 16, 2013

sky I need a better reverend....that one scares the children...

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 11:29AM Mar 16, 2013

SirHar wrote:
sky I need a better reverend....that one scares the children...

There you go Har... I hope you remember how to save it and everything.


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 01:24PM Mar 16, 2013

Why did putter vote but not post?

Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 01:40PM Mar 16, 2013

My battery died on my phone after my vote SPV on the birthday kid

Btw next round were starting the SPVD so get on board now spid can explain. Wait spid left? Wtf


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 01:56PM Mar 16, 2013

The SPVD works like this....
Starting round two EVERYONE posts a name and an ID of that person, regardless of your ID. That is, we're all posting fake seer divinations so the seer can clearly post their real ones. If the seer dies, then we will clearly have all the IDs of those divined.

So an example of a posts next round should be as follows:
SPVD

Player: skybet
ID: wolf


I will assume anyone who does not comply must be a wolf for refusing to help (credit spid)

Putting my vote on cara atm


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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JayoAie


Posted: 02:09PM Mar 16, 2013

Hey hey! SPV for Caramel

Glad u had a good birthday night Har, too many don't celebrate them properly

I don't think everyone will comply with the SPVD thing but could be useful


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:15PM Mar 16, 2013

Won't that just make it much easier for the wolves to find the Seer? Each pretend-divination that happens to be wrong would reduce coverage.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 02:25PM Mar 16, 2013

In theory but it could help expose wolves, and if someone is really bad at reading players they could just use the dead as their divined the seer can also lie once to throw the wolves off if they can survive longer. It adds anther dimension

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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 02:25PM Mar 16, 2013


I'm in on the SPVD thing, could be a great help!


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 03:16PM Mar 16, 2013

Sounds like a good idea. Why had it not occured to anyone yet?

I'm up for a cara majority, but I'll give him some time.


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JayoAie


Posted: 03:21PM Mar 16, 2013

It has been in others games, just not very many of them

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 03:36PM Mar 16, 2013

Give caramell some time

SPVing for now.
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CaramellAen


Posted: 04:29PM Mar 16, 2013

No talking about me..

you can see everything that goes on right. or like smell it or whatever. how does that even work. how do you use a computer and know whats going on it doesnt make sense my face doesnt make sense
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 04:31PM Mar 16, 2013

Hi everyone!
SPV for now!

Popped my knee out last night and I need to go to the physio to see if I need surgery or not... I hope not because I go to Europe in a month.

EDIT: The SPVD idea is stupid, Harry. That is just helping the wolves find the Seer even more quickly. And if the Seer finds a wolf early on it means the Seer is dying pretty early. I'm not going to participate.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 04:55PM Mar 16, 2013

You will be shot, Ga mark my words

Anyone can accidentally mark a wolf, so it's actually a good thing If that person dies, we have reason to suspect their fake div was true


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 05:05PM Mar 16, 2013

I'll try the SPVD thing. What does it stand for? Seer Protection Vote of Divination or something like that? It should work, but might make it easier for the wolves. *shrug* Worth a shot.

"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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JayoAie


Posted: 05:55PM Mar 16, 2013

Well one point in favor is the Seer can often be eaten without being able to get any help out there
In a recent enough game, I was Seer and had divined Sky as human, and I was eaten early

In the decisive round Sky was shot and the wolves won the game

The idea isn't totally without merit, I will participate


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Limerickus


Posted: 05:56PM Mar 16, 2013

SPVD is definitely an interesting concept, only problem is the made up SPVs will be quick and easy to be identified as any incorrect divination would "clear" them of being seer. Now the Seer could put out some red herrings, but if we can't trust the seers statements, are we really better off? Definitely worth some thought though... I believe at this point it would just make the seer less protected, not more. Since mine is the last vote this round, it is hardly an SPV, but to keep the field even, vote for HABS.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 06:56PM Mar 16, 2013

Yeah, that's the problem with red herrings - it defeats the purpose of SPVDs. We can try it out though, but a warning to the seer I wouldn't recommend fake divinations.

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JayoAie


Posted: 07:03PM Mar 16, 2013

koin_era345 wrote:
Yeah, that's the problem with red herrings - it defeats the purpose of SPVDs. We can try it out though, but a warning to the seer I wouldn't recommend fake divinations.


Duly noted, I promise to only post my real divinations


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 07:39PM Mar 16, 2013


I can see how the SPVD thing might be pointless, or lead into the wolves favour, but at the same time, it might do well in confusing wolves and leading into the humans favour.


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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Limerickus


Posted: 08:40PM Mar 16, 2013

After a full game of not being able to do this, I feel like a rebellious goon:


Day
It takes 8 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

Caramell voted for Smithy
GreenApples27 voted for kmrutledge
HABS2933 voted for koin_era345

HarryPutter voted for Caramell
Jayo voted for Caramell

kitty-cat voted for Limerick
koin_era345 voted for Skybet
Limerick voted for HABS2933
Oldcustard voted for GreenApples27
PianistChris voted for kitty-cat

SirHar voted for Smithy
Skybet voted for Jayo
slammngirl92 voted for Oldcustard
Smithy voted for slammngirl92
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kmrutledgetth


Posted: 08:53PM Mar 16, 2013

I am gonna put a random vote on Caramell.

The faster I type in my password, the more secret agent-y I feel.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 08:55PM Mar 16, 2013

Hey, sorry I haven't been very active, I had a volleyball tournament.

Anyways, I'm up to try the SPVD. Not that I'm with it or against it, but it will be fun to try something new out! It could help the wolves, but to be honest, I think it will confuse them more and make them not know if we were serious about the SPVD or not so that is a good thing.

Keeping my SPV.


Fearless.
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 09:00PM Mar 16, 2013

Ok, been thinking on this SPVD thing and this is my thought trail:

Seer reveals accurate divs in the game, by round 3 the wolves will have narrowed it down to only a few people who managed to get both rounds correct with their divs (since they know all IDs) then the seer is quickly rumbled and consequently eaten. Other option is the seer posting fake divs in the game, so they remain hidden, and then when they get eaten we are left with a trail of fake divs which is detrimental as we may shoot humans that have been stated as wolves. Either way I don;t see it as a good thing at all, apart from cluttering the game.

Unless someone can give me a good reason to participate (because I think it's a bad idea) then I wont be.


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 09:12PM Mar 16, 2013

The thing is at round 3, the seer might be eaten but we still get their 2 divinations.

I'm back and forth as to whether that outweighs the risks.


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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 09:19PM Mar 16, 2013


I've never done it before, so I'm quite interested to see how it works out.


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 09:20PM Mar 16, 2013

The thing is koin, you wont know for sure whether they posted accurate divs in the game or not, so I guess I see it as a pointless exercise. You would have to say "can the seer definitely post accurate divs", if so, then the seer is easily identifiable and likely to get eaten early on.

EDIT: Basically I only think this covers you for an early eating, which posting accurate divs in the game will make more likely! You are trying to solve a potential problem by making the occurrence of the problem more probable!


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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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celticherotus


Posted: 09:21PM Mar 16, 2013

Proud to see that everybody has voted, and since I can think of nothing clever, that's all.

I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 09:25PM Mar 16, 2013

Exactly, Skybet, which is the reason why I won't be participating. Plus, it should be in the human's interest to come across as Seer as well, which posting ID's which contradicts what the wolves know is true, will ruin.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 09:34PM Mar 16, 2013

i'm not sure that it will work as well in practice as it seems it will in theory, but always up for trying to change it up a bit. Let's try it, if it proves to be as advantageous to the wolves as it seems it might then we know for next time.

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 10:09PM Mar 16, 2013

I agree it's not the best idea and the wolves will have an advantage (kinda) now, but maybe we could try it in a later round? That way we won't have to risk our seer for a while and yet still get to try it? So everyone gets what they want. I'm not really in for it either that much unless we would try it in later round(s) to see the result.

Fearless.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 11:08PM Mar 16, 2013

The seer could lie, GA the wolves wont know if the seer accepts the SPVD protection, so it could actually prolong their life.for them to officially come out think aboot that

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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Limerickus


Posted: 11:15PM Mar 16, 2013

The way it would really work well is if there were some way to code it so that we couldn't read the SPVDs until they were eaten, but despite racking my brain, I don't have an easy solution. Also, if we could code it in a way that was difficult enough to be not worth decoding until we know whose we are decoding, it might work. For instance, if everyone took their own nickname and used it as a transposition cipher on their divination name, it would probably be hard enough that no one would bother decoding 12 people's SPVD. But once it got to a known Seer, running such a transposition wouldn't be too hard. Problem here is that it would also be enough work to make most people not interested in encoding their SPVDs.... Still, I feel that there is definitely a way to do this. Boy would we change the game if we can figure this out, will definitely give the humans a lot of help in these games.

ETA: Amother way we could definitely do this is via a website. The way I envision it is the Seer would enter their name, only one name would be allowed per IP, once the name was entered, they would be given the ability to encrypt their text. Now once this was done, later, the site would also allow you to enter the name plus the encrypted text, it would know the hidden encryption key associated with that name. To prevent wolf abuse, there would be a limitation on how often you could decode a message. I am getting way too into this...


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Limerickus


Posted: 11:41PM Mar 16, 2013

After a full game of not being able to do this, I feel like a rebellious goon:


Day
It takes 8 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

Caramell voted for Smithy
GreenApples27 voted for kmrutledge
HABS2933 voted for koin_era345

HarryPutter voted for Caramell
Jayo voted for Caramell

kitty-cat voted for Limerick
koin_era345 voted for Skybet
Limerick voted for HABS2933
Oldcustard voted for GreenApples27
PianistChris voted for kitty-cat

SirHar voted for Smithy
Skybet voted for Jayo
slammngirl92 voted for Oldcustard
Smithy voted for slammngirl92


ETA: So sorry for reporting this, was reloading the page and accidentally clicked through the "Are you sure you want to resubmit this form?" dialog. Only change however to the above is:
kmrutledge voted for Caramell

Some early majorities here o_O Any reasons?


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 12:36AM Mar 17, 2013

Harry, the Seer lying is just silly. If they die, we have a potentially incorrect divination to work with. It gives wolves an opportunity to claim Seer and even if their divinations don't match up they can claim they were lying. Also, chances are even if the Seer lied, and said someone else was human, they are probably actually right, and the wolves would still go for them anyway. Also, if the Seer gets guilty they have no choice but to out themselves. And if a human fakes a guilty divination it's hard to ignore and could just get a human shot for no reason other than to protect the Seer, but everyone will know they're not Seer anyway when the shot player is revealed human.

Think about that. It's not a good strategy at all.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 03:09AM Mar 17, 2013

Yeah, the idea that the Seer could post fake divinations is stupid, that undermines the whole reason for doing this - in fact we're worse off as we could potentially end up with incorrect information rather than no information at all.

Adding another vote for caramell to protect myself.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 03:12AM Mar 17, 2013

Your entire argument lies upon a contradiction If the wolves will eat regardless of what we say (i.e. the seer dies after lying), then what we say doesn't really matter and therefore the strategy works. The odds are in the humans favour. Yet you're saying that what the seer says reveals them, and therefore what we say does matter. This is contradictory logic.
In reality, the wolves will have no idea if the real seer is telling the truth or not, so the SPVDs will be difficult to read. But the strategy is ultimately helpful - firstly, if the seer does happen to tell the truth it can give us hints to go on, OR it can lead the wolves off the seer's trail (depending on how the seer plays it). It is gives the seer more tactics will giving out info.

And a wolf can claim seer in any game, this strategy doesn't change that. I'll put off forcing an implementation of this idea till the kinks are worked out since it's a few details short of a brilliant plan, but it is close.


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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Smithy*en


Posted: 03:28AM Mar 17, 2013

If the wolves can't be sure if the Seer is telling the truth or not, then neither can the humans - if the Seer dies then how much credence can we give any of their "divinations"? Even if we prove one of their statements true or false, we can't be sure that the rest are likewise, as chance could make an attempted "lie" correct. Essentially we still only get reliable information if the Seer outs themselves anyway. Then it just comes down to whether or not this method would give the Seer a longer lifespan on average... I have no idea if that's the case or not.

It does also give the wolves opportunity to influence suspicion. If someone fake-claims a "wolf" divination, and then gets eaten, can you ignore that?


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 03:30AM Mar 17, 2013

Well it would certainly give us hints

This is clearly in a BETA stage and needs more thinking, but it can work. It has potential! We'll put off using it for now.


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 09:03AM Mar 17, 2013

We should leave it at that, and get back to the game. .

I'm gonna put in a kmr vote for the cara majority and having inky posted once this whole round.


Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 09:30AM Mar 17, 2013

I think harry, you should make your own game that has SPVDs that way all the players who want to do that type of game play will join and know ahead of time.

Fearless.
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Limerickus


Posted: 09:34AM Mar 17, 2013

Caramell voted for Smithy
GreenApples27 voted for kmrutledge
HABS2933 voted for koin_era345
HarryPutter voted for Caramell
Jayo voted for Caramell

kitty-cat voted for Limerick
kmrutledge voted for Caramell
koin_era345 voted for kmrutledge
Limerick voted for HABS2933
Oldcustard voted for GreenApples27
PianistChris voted for kitty-cat
SirHar voted for Smithy
Skybet voted for Jayo
slammngirl92 voted for Oldcustard
Smithy voted for Caramell

Vote changes: Smithy: slammngirl92->Caramell; koin_era345: Skybet->kmrutledge

Not too thrilled with early first round majorities, will switch my vote to kmrutledge. Though both Caramell and kmr have been pretty inactive and both suspicious. Caramell with no real content in his post and kmr with a "random vote" on a new majority.

ETA: Somehow was thinking that would bring them into a tie which I would be happier with, less likely the wolves would be setting up both majorities, but oh well, no real time for it, Caramell is pretty much doomed.


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celticherotus


Posted: 10:44AM Mar 17, 2013

I regret to inform you that was Caramell was human.

I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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