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The Werewolf Game #2998

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 7 rounds.

Discussion of Round #5

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:43PM Nov 22, 2013

RFM
jeminy and mbrady were both human.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:44PM Nov 22, 2013

damn I had a sweet rationale for clearing Brady I wanted to go in with....and maybe only Harry could have reached the same conclusion of my genius

not really sure what to make of Harry, don't really think he's a wolf, Im looking at dfam/bradon potentially, cause I dont really think LHF or Smithy are either.....I'll give some thought to pair analysis in a bit, honestly not sure where I want to go yet


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 07:59PM Nov 22, 2013

I am looking twice at bradon. Not sure about Harry. He is not being his usual self yet.
Dan...leaning more human than in round 3-4. Dfam....there is a good possibility there.

Holding vote for now.
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RhythmicAus


Posted: 08:04PM Nov 22, 2013

Update posted

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
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caberetAus


Posted: 08:08PM Nov 22, 2013

Drat. Jeminy had started to look humanish to me in my reread last round.

I'm thinking a bradon/HP combo. Voting accordingly.


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:20PM Nov 22, 2013

As I said, I doubt Harry would have went out of his way to call Bradon human the way he did in round 3 if they were partners, but I wont put anything past him at this stage.

If, and thats an if, Harry turns out to be a wolf, his partner did not vote for him last round, or did so extremely recklessly as there was plenty of legitamate foundation for a (safer) Jeminy vote


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dfamina


Posted: 10:58PM Nov 22, 2013

I still agree about Harry being... well, not Harry. He's been under the microscope for a couple of rounds in a row, so to me it makes sense that he might do something odd as a wolf. But that's obviously not nearly enough to point the finger at him.

Spid, I believe the world at large is pretty convinced that you're human, and that's really all I can say in that regard. But I'd like to know why you think bradon and I might be a potential pairing. It sounds like more process of elimination than anything concrete. I can understand that all I have attesting to my humanity is a somewhat passive role in our wolf shot, but with mbrady also on everyone's radar for a lack of activity, I had more than enough time to save Chris and I could've easily done so without attracting too much attention, considering how small the majority was. To me, it wouldn't have made much sense to let him get shot when I could've used him much later on, even if for a later bus.

LH was on Spider's back for a while, and has stayed out of all of the majorites except for the one that nearly got him shot. She was also the last vote for him in that round. (LH doesn't seem fond of last-minute moves, so I doubt she would've joined the nidhogg vote)

cab, I still don't know what to make of you, and I still find your reasons for voting so far to be less than substantial. But your pairing has some merit as far as I'm concerned.

Smithy hasn't been here all that much, and I'd have liked to hear what he had to say last round, but what's done is done. I'm leaning human on him.

That brings me to bradon. A couple of things I've noticed. For one, she's been VERY quiet. It's been hard to really get much from her. But she's defended Harry pretty consistently, in what I can really only describe as stalling in a way. i.e. "He's usually pretty good, let's wait and see what he says later on."

The problem here may be pairings, but I'm no good at them.

I think that's all I have. Hopefully I haven't missed something major, but I'm placing a vote on bradon. That's my best hunch at the moment.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 11:24PM Nov 22, 2013

It just doesn't make sense for PC to vote the way he did if Bradon was his teammate. I'll be back very soon

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dfamina


Posted: 11:47PM Nov 22, 2013

I'd agree with you, but he actually did log on again before that round was over. He never came and said anything more, but the point is that when he cast his vote, he most likely thought he would be back in time to read things over, or if she was in danger, change his vote. I don't know why he didn't come back to the game, and I'm hoping this doesn't fall into Spid's Login Times Rule, but he did get back online. I mentioned it before the round's end, and I believe someone else brought it up since then.

I just don't see Chris as the type to intentionally flake out on a game, even if it's just one round. He did SPV, but Round Two was -way- too busy to just leave it at that, which is why mbrady nearly got shot as well.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 12:58AM Nov 23, 2013

Who is your suspect for bradon's partner then?


Either I'm totally wrong about bradon, or dfam is a guaranteed wolf That's where I'm at in my analysis.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:50AM Nov 23, 2013

To be a bit 'ego inclined' (trademarking that) I don't think Longhorn would come after me from the gun so early if she was a wolf. I know when I'm a wolf, I'm a little hesitant to challenge stronger players very early as that little wolf part of your brain fears being exposed more quickly by the person your targeting. I could be way off for sure, it's just usually wolves, if they are going to lead, lead on the weaker players until a bit later in the game.

Chris, as far as i recall, has a bit odd way of playing as a wolf. I cant recall specifics (though I think he did let himself die by not breaking his own tie in the past) but I wouldnt assume anything about his voting tendency.

I'll do some more mulling, dfam is a possible candidate.....there was no 'human again' lament, and not to say he was obligated or needs to update that fact constantly, but he's in the past been consistent about mentioning that up until now.

I want to hear from the great wise (probly hungover) Smithy, in the meantime, here is just the cutest picture ever....




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Smithy*en


Posted: 04:24AM Nov 23, 2013

Quick check in, sorry I didn't get on again last round but totally not my fault, the round was ended early. I wouldn't have altered things much though, would have gone along with the jem majority. (Not everyone feels the need to lie with hindsight. )

Will post something more in depth shortly once I have breakfasted greasily but interesting that the run of Chris-shooters being eaten was broken with dfamina left untouched. I doubt it's coincidence, I'm pretty sure chang was taken out as a clear rather than as a specific Seer candidate (especially given jem was human), same as Sky, and he was just as "cleared" as those two so Bobo being left probably means either he's a wolf or at least one of the remaining wolves wants him left to make us think that. We've still never seen him as a wolf so I have nothing much to compare his play with, hasn't diverged too far from his usual human play.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:45AM Nov 23, 2013

If dfam is a wolf, he's playing a very strong debut...

The wolves seemingly went out of their way to eat Brady, the only 'outsider' left of the group. I'm not really sure what it says, but it says something.

I'll get to work on some pair analysis...

I wasnt able to eliminate many pairs

Bradon/Cab
Bradon/Harry
Cab/Harry
Harry/LHF
LHF/Smithy

is all I could knock off, and Im not even 100% on all of them. I find this disturbing


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bradon182001*us


Posted: 09:15AM Nov 23, 2013

So jeminy was human. That does surprise me. Sorry I didn't stick with my belief that Cab has to be a wolf. I've gone back over the game and find she's been all over the board with her suspicions, and she hasn't bothered to offer any reasons for any of her suspicions, just keeps pointing at different people. That is so not her game.Definitely voting Cab again, and will be back later with my thoughts on the final wolf once I make that determination.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:17AM Nov 23, 2013

Bear in mind LH tried to link you and me as a pair early on, I don't know if that's strong enough to rule LH and me out as a pair but can probably lower the probability to some degree.

Will do my own pair nonsense shortly but I doubt there will be much.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:22AM Nov 23, 2013

That was a part of my analysis knocking off LHF/Smithy

Normally when its this late in the game and my reads seem to make less and less sense, I assume I've been wrong all game. Still a bunch of time left, guess I'm hoping someone posts something that makes me reach a catharsis.....maybe I should play WWG like House MD


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dfamina


Posted: 09:49AM Nov 23, 2013

Spid, to address your comments about the human lament bit, you're right, though that's something I tried to eliminate last game as well. I'm sure you all remember that I didn't play WWG for a couple of months, and I actually considered that point in particular. For one thing, saying "Aww, human again" or even subtly implying it feels too similar to the Cab Defense, with which I wholeheartedly disagree. For another, it would only serve to do exactly what it's doing now: get me into trouble. Despite my inexperience as a wolf, I would like to think that I'd be smarter about it than that.

And Harry, this probably sounds like a lame excuse, but I've never been any good with pair analysis. Even last game when I had Evi and brady pegged (even though we lost via tie), it was due to their individual actions rather than them possibly working together.


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caberetAus


Posted: 10:10AM Nov 23, 2013

Spidey - Thanks for the cute pic!

I'm standing by my suspicion of bradon and HP. As dfamina said ^ it's because of their behavior individually, not any 'pair' reasoning. Holding my vote.


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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bradon182001*us


Posted: 11:14AM Nov 23, 2013

Wonder if you could be just a little more specific? Is is because I have been pretty steadfast in my suspicion of you? Definitely holding my vote.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 12:56PM Nov 23, 2013

I will have to make a decision by about 5ish....so if anyone has any further input that would be super cool yo

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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:17PM Nov 23, 2013

Not much on the pair thing so here are some general thoughts.

LH came out gunning for spid and me in round 2, something I'm not sure she'd do as a wolf, especially given the likelihood of a vociferous response from spid. I strongly disagree with her actual reasoning though, but I think it makes her more likely human.

Bobo (aka dfamina) is the only survivor of the Chris shooting, that in itself is perhaps a little strange but the Chris shooting should give him some credit and he's not really done much else to warrant suspicion. I do have a bit of a feeling there but I can't exactly justify it and it'd be a bit stupid to follow that against someone who has some claim to being partially cleared.

Cab, like LH (and as LH said) is being rather more vocal than when she's a wolf; again I disagree with her reasoning at points (e.g. the "not making clears public" reasoning against spid). And her strange half-thought last round was a bit bizarre, not like the typically bland wolf play.

Spider, I don't know. I could definitely see him choosing most of the eatings we've had, but I've been biased towards defending him by the incorrect reasoning against him, so it's hard for me to get a read on him.

I think putter and bobbi could be good options, although I'm not sure necessarily as a pair, Bobbi made a typical wolf partner fence sitting comment about Putter ("Not sure what to think of HP . He's being unusually laid back, but if I remember correctly, he did say once that he didn't really get involved in a game until the later rounds, so will hold off making any kind of decision about his identity"), but Putter came out and said he would "err on the side of human" for bradon, not sure he would so openly talk about and defend his partner.

Trying to see if chang left us any clues. Can't see any. Can't see anything that would have suggested he was Seer, or why the wolves might think that, either.

So no real clears, any of my "probable humans" could well be wolves but those are the best nuggets of wisdom I could see to work with.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 01:18PM Nov 23, 2013

I keep going back to dfam/LH and dfam/smithy I'm going to throw my vote on dfam for now.

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 01:19PM Nov 23, 2013


bradon182001 voted for caberet
caberet voted for bradon182001
dfamina voted for bradon182001
HarryPutter voted for dfamina


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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:56PM Nov 23, 2013

Why dfam, Putter? I know not to "clear" people but I feel like there should be some good reason to go for Bobo despite his Chris vote, or at least some significant pieces of process of elimination type logic to get there.

I certainly do not think Chris' vote for Bobbi clears her, if anything it makes her more likely.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:14PM Nov 23, 2013

it looks like all we're getting this game from Harry is his conclusions not much of his analysis.....not strongly buying the Chris wouldnt SPV his teamate in Rd 2 argument too much...I don't know, Ill make up my mind in like an hour ish or so

bradon is my last chance to be right about someone......gonna lock in for her....hoping i got one finally


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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:48PM Nov 23, 2013

Heading out now so I'll throw in an alternative vote for Putter, I think Bobbi is a good shout anyway though but no point sealing it yet. (I would like more than just conclusions from putter.)

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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RhythmicAus


Posted: 07:39PM Nov 23, 2013

Night Posting 23 hours, 54 minutes left

bradon182001 was a werewolf.


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